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Episode No. 372: Willie McCarthy

In Butte, we know him as Willie, the 1993 Butte High graduate with award-winning legs.
In Missoula, where he is a successful lawyer and renowned Little League coach, he might be called Will, William or Mr. McCarthy. By any name, though, Willie McCarthy is a true Butte character. He is a Butte guy to the core.
Willie grew up on Butte’s Westside, and he attended McKinnley Elementary before heading to East Middle School and Butte High School. He was an undersized defensive end at Butte High, where he was part of the 1991 Class AA State championship team.
He is a graduate of Montana Tech, The University of Montana and The University of Montana School of Law.
As a coach, Willie led a Missoula Little League team the state title two times, and those teams advanced to the Little League World Series, where the world found out that Willie with a microphone is a very good thing.
This morning, I caught up with Willie over Zoom for a fun conversation. Listen in as he talks about the origin of his name, which comes from the streets of Uptown Butte.
Listen in as he talks about growing up on the Westside, where they used to have some very prominent paper boys filling in for the boys with the paper rout.
Listen in as Willie talks about playing for coach Jon McElroy and the lessons he passed on to the next generation.
Listen in to hear that Willie is still a Butte guy, even after all these years in Missoula.
Today’s episode is presented by Leskovar Honda, home of the non-commission sales team that always has your back. It is also available on YouTube:
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A homework assignment for those who choose to not believe women

The late Bob Toivonen was an incredible teacher.
As a junior at Butte High School, I had Mr. Toivonen for algebra 2. I was not much of a math guy, but Mr. Toivonen helped me understand it.
When I took college algebra at Montana Tech my freshman year, the class was a piece of cake because I had Mr. Toivonen at Butte High.
One day, however, Mr. Toivonen gave our class a lesson that had nothing to do with math. It was not a lesson that he planned. It was just something that came to him in the moment, but it had everything to do with looking out for his students.
That day was in October of 1991. Back then, the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings in the Senate dominated the news. The nation tuned in to see if Thomas would be confirmed to serve on the Supreme Court, even though a woman named Anita Hill accused him of some disgusting workplace sexual harassment.
While the nation was not as politically divided to the degree as it is today, the Hill accusations split the country. Many people thought she was lying, even though it made no sense for her to fabricate that story. Her life was turned upside down by the scrutiny of her accusations.
Hill had nothing to gain and everything to lose.
That day, Mr. Toivonen started his class by asking for a show of hands of the female students who thought Hill was lying. The teacher was dismayed when he saw about half the girls in the class with a hand in the air.
“Your homework tonight is to go home and hit yourself over the head with a 2×4,” Mr. Toivonen told the girls who raised their hand.
“If women won’t believe women, then who is going to believe women?” he asked rhetorically.
Those words made everyone in the class think. They hit home with the girls and some of the boys.
Mr. Toivonen’s words always come to mind when I see so many women calling for Democrat Alani Bankhead to drop out of Montana’s Sente race so “independent” Seth Bodnar can take on Republican Kurt Alme.
It is infuriating that anyone thinks it is acceptable to undermine the voters of the state by calling for the candidate who won the Democratic nomination fair and square to leave the race. It is just baffling that some call for Bankhead to leave the race because they say, “A woman can’t win in Montana.”
It is as if they do not even realize that Montana currently has a female secretary of state. It appears to be lost at them that Jeannette Rankin, the first woman to hold federal office in the United States, hailed from the Treasure State.
It is also insulting to women and men that they blame misogyny on the fact that their female candidate did not win in previous elections. Candidates lose for lots of reasons, and it is hard to believe that it is simply because most of the state electorate is comprised of Archie Bunkers.
The words of Mr. Toivonen really ring true when I see the many allegations from women about mistreatment by Bodnar and other University of Montana officials are so easily dismissed.
While Bodnar was not the only reason the University settled a major federal sex-discrimination and Title IX lawsuit filed by 18 current and former female employees, he did have more allegations levied against him than Thomas did in 1991.
Granted, those allegations are not as disgusting as what Hill levied against Thomas, but they are repulsive nonetheless. He is accused of fostering a retaliatory culture, allowing a hostile “good ol’ boys club” environment, and engaging in personal and professional mistreatment of female employees.
That allegedly includes telling a woman she was moody and needed to smile more. It includes allegedly telling a woman she was too fat to be the face of the university.
Why would a woman lie about that?
Now that he is a candidate for the Senate, though, so many people seem to so easily dismiss those claims. They say the lawsuit “lacked merit” because the plaintiffs did not get much money once the $350,000 settlement was divided by 18 and had substantial lawyer fees deducted.
Even worse, many have claimed that the women are still not telling the truth.
When it comes to Donald Trump, Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby, we are told we are supposed to believe women. But when it is a candidate who agrees with our politics, we suddenly become experts in deciding which allegations are real and which ones are not?
That makes no sense. There is never any kind of justification to so easily dismiss claims of workplace sexual discrimination because the claims are made against a fresh-faced candidate with a three-day beard.
Looking like he is a combination of Crockett on Miami Vice and Ryan from The Office (when he was the sleazy executive) does not give Bodnar a pass. He still has some questions to answer.
Attempting to give him a pass on those questions cannot be dismissed as political hypocrisy, either. It is much too damaging. Our daughters are watching, and they are going to be less likely to report such behavior after the way they see the plaintiffs in the University of Montana case have been treated and dismissed in this case.
They are watching as these women are being drug through the mud in the name of winning one election.
The 18 women who sued the University of Montana had very little to gain and everything to lose — even if they won. Yet they did it because it was the right thing to do. They did it because staying silent would have been worse.
It should not matter if the one accused of doing the discriminating (or cowardly looking the other way) is the candidate you think can win. Believing women is not something we should only do when it is politically convenient.
We either believe women, or we do not. The burden of proof should not solely rest on the shoulders of the abused.
Not only are so many of Bodnar’s supporters willing to turn a blind eye, so many are actively trying to bully those who speak out against his actions — or inaction — surrounding the lawsuit.
Day after day, people who speak out in support of the defendants are attacked on social media by Bodnar supporters. If you question why Bodnar has never sufficiently addressed the allegations publicly, you might be invited to fist fight or have your livelihood attacked. Or, in my case, both.
We will give the campaign the benefit of the doubt and assume that these attacks are not coordinated. But they do not exactly do much to counter Bodner’s reputation of hostility and retaliation.
If you are going to vote for Bodnar because you believe his claim of independence and think he would be a good senator, then good for you. Put up your yard sign and give Bodnar your scratch.
If you want to vote for him because former Democratic stalwarts like Jon Tester, Max Baucus, Nancy Keenan and Carroll Williams have turned their back to their party and endorsed him, more power to you.
If you simply do not care that Bodnar was accused of mistreating women or looking the other way while women were discriminated against, then that is your prerogative, too. You are the one who must stare at that reflection in your mirror.
However, if you are supporting Bodnar and are in any way diminishing the validity of the claims of the many women who say they have been mistreated by the candidate because those accusations are politically inconvenient, then that is a different story. You have some explaining to do to the women of today and tomorrow.
And Mr. Toivonen has a homework assignment you might want to consider.
— Bill Foley, who has no problem with his reflection, can be reached at foles74@gmail.com. Follow him at twitter.com/Foles74 or Bluesky at @foles74.bsky.social. Listen to him on the ButteCast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find your favorite podcasts.
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Episode No. 371: Brian Miller

Brian Miller is running as a Democrat for the House of Representatives in Montana’s second congressional district.
That does not include the Mining City, which resides in the state’s first congressional district. Brian hails from a land far, far away called Helena. Still, I thought it would be good to talk to a candidate who is throwing himself into the ring to represent the people of Montana.
He is running to unseat Republican Troy Downing. He is also running to defeat any and all data centers coming to the state.
He does not say that is his major issue. He says that is his issue.
Brian has been living in Montana for almost half of his life. He was born in Ohio and raised in the panhandle of Florida. He was eventually drawn to the beauty of or state, and now he wants to represent it to keep it that way.
Earlier today, I caught up with Brian over Zoom for a great conversation. Listen in as he talks about data centers, the disfunction of the Montana Democratic Party and why he is running for office.
Listen to hear that, even though we cannot vote from him in Butte, he is a candidate we should still pay attention to.
Of course, any political candidates are also welcome to join the ButteCast. All they have to do is ask.
Today’s episode is presented by Casagranda’s Steakhouse. Eat where the locals eat. This episode is also available on YouTube:
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By any moniker, Dan Sullivan was a true Mining City legend

The historic preservation people sould have fought to save that wall. Had they known it was there, maybe they would have.
The wall should have somehow been moved to the Smithsonian.
A mural painted on the wall by the late, great Jack Ferriter, however, had three major problems: Location, location, location.
Ferriter painted the mural, titled, “Fly Kill,” on the outside wall of the shower in the basement of the Butte Elks Lodge. The painting featured Dan Sullivan hitting a handball into a very sensitive location of his opponent, Jerry Lyons.
A “fly kill” usually means hitting the ball, and killing it, before it bounces. Not in this case.
The caricature mural was first painted in 1982, painted over and then repainted. It depicted a pair Butte handball icons in Sullivan and Lyons. They were two of the best players in the Mining City in their day, and that was saying something back then.
Winning a city title then was probably tougher than winning a state title today. That was back when Butte was the Mecca of handball.
Sullivan stopped Lyons’ bid for three straight city titles with a 21-16, 12-21, 21-6 win in the championship match of the city tournament at the Elks on Sunday, April 8, 1973.
A year later, Sullivan won it again, beating a young Butch Starin 21-11, 21-11 in the championship match. In 1975, Butch won the first of his several city crowns. Lyons had won it three out of four years before his run was halted by Sullivan.
The romantic in me would like to think that Ferriter’s mural came from an actual incident, but I do not know that to be true. We can say for sure, however, that John Badovinac’s character was true to life. The painting showed a very small Bado with a sign asking the score.
Bado has never been too shy to ask the score.
If there is a better painting of three Butte characters out there, I have not seen it.
Sadly, we lost one of those characters last week with the passing of Sullivan at the age of 86.
The 6-foot-6 Sullivan was larger than life in so many ways — so much so that one nickname would not suffice.
To so many, Sullivan was known as “Dusty Dan,” and that seemed to fit as good as any nickname ever handed out. When you hear “Dusty Dan,” it is impossible to not smile.
He could entertain us with his quick wit or a song. Before we had karaoke, we had “Dusty Dan.” He could sing “I Left My Heart In San Francisco” better than Tony Bennett. In fact, he was such a good signer, that he had an opportunity to pursue that as a career in the 1960s.
However, Dan said he did not like the lifestyle of the average entertainer.
So, he saved his singing for us. If you stopped by one of the bars at the Elks or at the Deluxe Bar, you just might hear Dan belting out a tune. Later in life, he would perform at the Belmont Senior Center or retirement and nursing homes.
During the COVID lock down, Sullivan said he learned 90 songs so he could keep his performances fresh, and he always left the crowd begging for more.
One night many years ago, Sullivan played a baseball game against Charlie Pride’s team in East Helena. After the game, the two sang together in a bar.
“He was a Western singer,” Sullivan said of Pride when he appeared on the ButteCast in February of 2023. “I’m more of the (Frank) Sinatra, Tony Bennett guy.”
He also had an opportunity to possibly try out for the NBA, back before the salaries for the players were astronomical. About that time, though, Sullivan lost both of his parents, and he ended up joining the Army.
“Being realistic, I didn’t think I could make it,” Sullivan said of his NBA prospects.
While he did not turn basketball into a career, that sport is what gave Sullivan his other major nickname. To those who watched the Montana Grizzlies play basketball in the early 1960s, the 1958 Butte Central graduate was known as “Deep Court Dan.”
That moniker was given to him by Missoula sportswriters who watched Sullivan knock down shots from deep in the court. That was well before the 3-point line was brought into the game.
That nickname perfectly carried over to handball, where “Deep Court Dan” was known to kill the ball from the back of the court.
“I think it came from baseball,” Sullivan said of his deadly handball shot. “I played a lot of shortstop, believe it or not. It was the same swing as the throw. I think it was the throw from shortstop to first base that allowed me to kill the ball. That was my forte, killin’ it. I didn’t want to run around.”
Sullivan did not just play baseball and basketball. He starred in those sports. After helping Butte Central win the 1956 state championship in basketball, he went to the University of Montana, where he was a multi-sport athlete along with his former rival, the great Bob O’Billovich.
O’Billovich, who led Butte High to state hoops crowns in 1957 and 1958, played football, basketball and baseball for the Grizzlies. Sullivan played basketball and baseball.
Each lettered three times in each sport, and both were inducted into the Grizzly Sports Hall of Fame.
Sullivan and O’Billovich also roomed with each other at the school, and that turned a few heads in the day. In addition to coming from arch-rival schools in Butte, Sullivan was Catholic. O’Billovich was Serbian Orthodox.
“That was a pretty big deal,” Sullivan said. “After about a day, it seemed like we ran around together. We just melted into a personality. It was meant to be, I guess.”
After college and the Army, Sullivan got into handball. In addition to his victories over Starin and Lyons, he once beat the great Bill Peoples. According to legend, the non-tournament defeat was the only one suffered by Peoples to a Montana player from 1973 through 1983.
The ultra-competitive Peoples could not wait to get back in the court with Sullivan.
“I gave him a rematch, and of course he beat me,” Sullivan said of the summer match. “There was a big crowd because it got around town, and I knew I was in for a bad deal. They found out that I beat him, and he wanted a rematch right away. So the next week, I saw all those guys up there, and I thought, “Awe man.”
Others called Sullivan “Sully” or “Sull.” Many, many more called him “Mr. Sullivan” from his decades teaching at Butte High School. His law class was legendary. He would take students to trials and to the prison.
That class, which was as fun for the teacher as it was for the students, used to fill up in the blink of an eye.
Sullivan, who used to play golf with Evel Knievel, kept hitting the golf course four days a week into his 80s. He also kept singing, and he kept making us smile. We will always smile when we hear his name.
In the name of progress at the Elks, a renovation project called for the removal of the wall with Ferriter’s mural. Had I known that would happen, I might have chained myself to it like Brian McGregor did with the Greek Café.
Fortunately, a photo of the mural was turned into a shirt that you can buy at 5518 Designs in Butte. Unfortunately, the names “Dan” and “Lyons” were removed, but it is still a great reminder of three Butte legends.
It is a great reminder of Dan Sullivan, a man who could not be described with just one nickname.
It is just too bad that mural wasn’t painted in a better location.
— Bill Foley, who doesn’t even have one cool nickname, can be reached at foles74@gmail.com. Follow him at twitter.com/Foles74 or Bluesky at @foles74.bsky.social. Listen to him on the ButteCast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find your favorite podcasts.

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No 370: Remembering Dan Sullivan

There are legends, and then there are legends.
Dan Sullivan fell into the latter category. He was a legend among legends. He was a Butte Sports Hall of Famer and a Montana Grizzly Hall of Famer.
He was a Hall of Famer in life.
Dan passed away Thursday night at the age of 86, and we already miss him. We miss the stories. We miss the laughs. We miss the singing.
Dan was such a legend that one nickname wasn’t enough. He was widely known as “Dusty Dan” and “Deep Court Dan.” I always thought the “Deep Court” moniker came from his days in the handball court, where he was known for rolling the ball out from deep in the court.
As it turns out, however, that nickname came from a writer in Missoula who noted that Dan could score the basketball from very deep in the court. So, the nickname was fitting for two sports.
Dan graduated from Butte Central in 1958. He was a basketball star for the Marrons before playing basketball for the Grizzlies. At the University of Montana, Sullivan roomed with his good friend and Butte High Bulldog legend Bob O’Billovich.
After serving in the Army, Dan ended up teaching for decades at Butte High School. His law class used to fill up faster than a Springsteen concert sold out. He was that popular as a teacher.
In February of 2023, Dan met me inside the Vault at the Metals for a great conversation.
After his passing, I figured today would be a great time to bring back his episode of the ButteCast. I figured it will be for all of us to hear the voice of Dan Sullivan one more time.
I will have more on his passing in my next column. It is going to take a few days to digest.
Funeral arrangements are still pending. I encourage all individual members of the Butte Sports Hall of Fame to wear their Green Jacket when attending the funeral.
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